A GRS reader dropped a line last weekend. “I want to invite you to the Diehard Organizational Meeting on Wednesday,” he said. “I’m new to the group but obviously we’re all believers of value of index funds and John Bogle’s investment philosophy.”
“Hope to see you there,” I replied.
I’m still new to investing, but my reading continues to point in the direction of index funds. (An index fund is a mutual fund designed to track a particular stock market index. FSMKX, for example, attempts to mimic the performance of the S&P 500 index.) Index funds were popularized by John Bogle, the founder and retired CEO of The Vanguard Group. Followers of Bogle’s investment philosophy call themselves Bogleheads or Diehards.
I’m not a Diehard (yet), but a chance to meet and learn from them was an offer I could not refuse.
The Diehards Seven of us gathered last night at a Portland coffeehouse. We’re all at different places in life, and we each have different investment goals and strategies:
Ron is retired. He derives his income from dividends and social security. His investments follow a conventional split: 60% equities (50% stock index funds, 10% real-estate investment trusts, a.k.a. REITs) and 40% fixed income (30% bonds and 10% cash).
J.D. is a middle-aged blogger. He recently eliminated his consumer debt, and is only now beginning to learn about investing. All of his retirement money is in stock index funds (though one of them is FFNOX, which includes a small portion in bonds).
Tony is learning about investing. He reads Get Rich Slowly (and is the one who invited me to the meeting). His portfolio is 80% equities (50% total stock market index, 15% international, 15% small-caps) and 20% other (10% REITs and 10% bonds).
Greg is also new to investing — Tony has been showing him the ropes. Greg is a lifelong saver and is not a risk-taker. He tries to max out his Roth IRA every year, putting his money in Vanguard’s STAR fund. Greg lives frugally in order to get the money to invest: he doesn’t have cable, and he doesn’t have internet.
Tim is a fee-based Certified Financial Planner. He believes that everyone’s situation and circumstances are different. He likes to see the different approaches each person takes to financial planning. His own investments are 50% in stocks, 40% in fixed income (including 20% in TIPS, Treasury inflation-protected securities), and 10% in what he calls “alternative investments”, such as REITs and commodities.
Tom just moved to Vanguard index funds this year. He wants to do a lot of intense research over the next couple of years, find a plan that works, and then put it on auto-pilot. Like Ron, he has 60% invested in equities and 40% in fixed income.
Bruce teaches Certified Financial Planner courses at a nearby university. His personal investments are interesting. He’s an income investor. He doesn’t care how the share price moves. He cares about the income, because that’s how he pays his bills. His portfolio contains 60% “income securities” (REITs, preferred stock, utilities) and 40% conventional equities (in other words, normal stocks). “This is not what I teach,” he said as he explained his methods.
Profiting from shared wisdom As we introduced ourselves, others asked questions about our backgrounds, and we had tangential conversations about a variety of topics. We talked about health insurance. We talked about preferred stock. We talked about financial planning.
It seemed to me, though, that we were mostly discussing facts and figures. “What role do you think behavior plays in financial planning?” I asked.
“It’s starting to play a bigger role,” said Bruce. “Financial planning is a huge topic. If you want to be a competent advisor, you have to know it all. The coursework is structured as if there are right answers and there are wrong answers, but then you get out into the real world and you realize that’s not true.”
“There’s no one right answer,” said Tim. “It’s a broad subject.”
I also mentioned that the Doom-and-Gloomers (like Peter Schiff) are starting to get to me. “Those folks come out every time the economy goes bad,” Bruce said. “They bubble to the top. You just have to ignore them.”
I left the meeting with two pages of notes and tons of information, not just for the blog, but for myself. I learned about George Kinder and his concept of life planning (see video below). I learned about Sheryl Garrett, and her goal of making financial advice accessible to all people. I learned a little more about income investing (a subject that interests me).
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I’m grateful to Tony for inviting me to join this group, and I look forward to additional meetings in the future.
Strength in numbers It’s certainly possible to learn about investing from books and blogs and magazines. But I think meeting and exchanging ideas with other people adds a new dimension to the subject.
If you’re interested in sharing and learning about index fund investing, check the list of Diehards local chapters to find a meeting in your area. If you can’t find a group nearby, you can still chat with hundreds of other like-minded folks at the Bogleheads investment forum.
You might also consider joining the American Association of Individual Investors, a non-profit founded in 1978 to provide individual investors — people like you and me — with tools and knowledge to better approach the stock market. This organization also has local meetings. (Here’s info about the next meeting of the Portland chapter [PDF], which I hope to attend.) The downside to the AAII is that everything costs money.
There may be other similar groups in your city. One of the men at tonight’s meeting mentioned that he’s involved in a couple of other organizations that meet regularly to discuss saving and investing. These kinds of gatherings are excellent ways to meet other people, and to learn from their successes and failures. They allow you to profit from shared wisdom.
It’s been a long time since I wrote about investing at Get Rich Slowly. I haven’t abandoned the subject, but my mind has been on other things. Besides, I’ve been practicing what I preach. I’ve invested my money in low-cost index funds (and some bonds), and I never make a trade. Because I know it pays to ignore financial news, I have. Earlier this week, I peeked at my portfolio for the first time since May. You know what? It’s doing just fine — even without me checking the balance every day.
Although I haven’t been writing about investing, I’ve continued to further my personal education on the subject. Whenever the mail brings the latest issue of the AAII Journal — the publication of the American Association of Individual Investors — I read it. (The latest issue just arrived today!) I’ve also been reading books about investing. In fact, I’ve just begun David Swensen‘s highly-regarded Unconventional Success: A Fundamental Approach to Personal Investment; so far, it’s fantastic. Look for a review when I return from Europe.
And the other night, I had dinner with the Diehards.
Note: For those of you who aren’t familiar, Diehards (also called Bogleheads) are fans of indexed mutual funds — funds that track the movement of stock market indexes — as popularized by John Bogle, the founder and retired CEO of The Vanguard Group. These Diehards discuss investing in the Bogleheads investment forum. From my experience, they’re friendly, smart, and knowledgeable people.
I attended the first meeting of the Portland Diehards two years ago, but I’ve only managed to make it to one quarterly meeting since then. On Tuesday, I made it a priority to meet the group to talk about investing over Chinese food. There were six of us: J.D., Loren, Kris (not my Kris), Ron, Van, and Gary. We each brought different experience and perspectives to the table, which made for an interesting couple of hours talking about investing.
Spouses with different investment goals As we ate snow-pea chicken and hot-and-sour soup, we asked questions and shared advice.
For example, I asked how you should invest when you have a different risk profile from your partner. I, for example, am fairly risk tolerant; I’m willing to take chances in expectation of higher returns in the future. My wife, on the other hand, is not. She’d rather sock money into low-risk investments that also produce low yields.
Van suggested that we split the difference. That is, we should take half of our investment capital and invest it the way I want, and take half to invest the way my wife wants. So, if I want 80% in stocks and 20% in bonds, but she wants 40% in stocks and 60% in bonds, then we’d average that to a 60-40 split in favor of stocks. (Which, co-incidentally, is how my money is invested right now!)
Valuation, risk, and return The group spent some time discussing the concept of risk. Loren is near retirement, and seems tempted to chase investments that are currently offering high returns.
Gary — who offered lots of sage wisdom throughout the night — asked Loren, “What rate of return do you need on your investment to fund the rest of your life? That should determine where you put your money. If you need a 10% return on your money to fund your life, then you need to be in stocks. But if you only need 2%, why risk it?”
Gary also noted that it’s important to take valuations into account. That is, you shouldn’t just blindly buy a particular investment vehicle, whether that’s stocks, bonds, or commodities. Obviously, it’s impossible to know whether an investment is going to go up or down in the short term, but you can make a pretty good guess as to whether something is under- or over-valued in the long term.
As a prime example, gold would seem to be over-valued now, just as housing was five years ago. And a little less than two years ago, it was pretty clear that stocks were under-valued. Gary’s not saying you should chase whatever is tanking; he’s just saying that if you’ve been making regular investments in gold, for example, but the market seems high (like now), then maybe it makes sense to suspend your investments — or even to sell.
Tangent: The whole gold craze drives me nuts. Didn’t people learn anything from the housing and stock bubbles? What makes them think this is different? And the commercials on the radio? Puh-lease! Gold is high, so I should buy? Isn’t that the opposite of smart investing?
Do-it-yourself investing I thought it was fascinating to listen to Van, who is trying to educate herself so that she can direct her own investments. She’s new to this, and trying to learn as much as possible so that she can make her own decisions. “None of the financial advisors I’ve talked to really knows what’s going on either, so I might as well do it myself,” she says. She figures that she’d rather make her own mistakes than pay somebody else to make mistakes for her. So, she’s educating herself by reading books and coming to meetings like this Bogleheads gathering.
All of us agreed with her, I think, which probably isn’t surprising. Loren said, “No matter who you talk to for advice, never forget that you are the boss of your own money.” I agree with this 100%. In fact, in May I published a guest post at Boing Boing about the importance of DIY finance. (No need to look it up; I’ll be posting it here at GRS in a few weeks.)
Picking stocks — or not Van is especially interested in learning how to pick stocks. Ron, the chief Boglehead in our group, cautioned Van, saying that from his experience, the default position should be to start with (and perhaps stick with) index funds. His argument is that if you’re going to do anything other than:
Invest in the entire market
With the lowest possible fees
With the most reputable dealer
Then you need to be able to state your reasons for doing so. You might have good reasons for not sticking with this default, but if you don’t, and if you can’t state them, then why take chances.
Note: For the record, the default position would lead you to buying index funds through Vanguard. I vary from the default in that I buy index funds from Fidelity. Why? Because Vanguard doesn’t offer the type of retirement account I need for my business. I started there first, but they sent me to Fidelity.
Once again, Gary shared the wisdom of his experience. “I started investing by picking stocks myself,” he told Van. “When that didn’t work, I went to a full-service broker and paid him $400 a trade to pick stocks for me. That didn’t work either — and it cost more — so I went to a discount broker to get my fees down. But I still couldn’t match index funds. So, I gave up. I’d rather spend my time playing golf than picking stocks. Now I’m in index funds, in ETFs.”
Shared wisdom We talked about a few other topics, as well, but this post is already running long. I’ll skip the bits about certificates of deposit, investing in gold, and handling a windfall. But I do want to pass along a couple of quotes I liked:
“Always be a saver,” Kris said. She stressed that no matter what your life circumstances, if you make sure you’re a net saver — that you’re spending less than you’re earning — you’ll be fine. (Her advice reminded me of the “Always Be Closing” speech from Glenglarry Glen Ross. Maybe I should do a version with “Always Be Saving” — and less swearing!)
Gary is an advocate of boosting your income. “Your net worth doesn’t go up from your investments,” he said. “It goes up from your earning power.” His point is that you’re not going to get rich from the stock market — you’re better off developing your human capital and mining that for money. “If it’s important for you to accumulate a lot of money, you pretty much have to go into business for yourself,” Gary said.
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Meetings like this are invaluable. They’re a chance to exchange ideas with fellow investors, and to profit from their success and mistakes. I highly recommend finding a similar group in your area. There’s no need to be intimidated. It’s fine to show up and just listen if you feel like you don’t have anything to contribute. I feel lost a lot of the time, but the more often I do things like this, the less lost I become.
This may be because I take notes. I filled my ever-present notebook with four pages of scribbles, including books to borrow from the library, websites to visit, and concepts to consider. (And, of course, writing this article helps to reinforce much of what I learned.) I already have December’s meeting on my calendar. I’ll be back for more Chinese food and more convesation with the Diehards.
The thought of investing–and doing it successfully–can be a daunting task. This is especially true if you’re a beginner investor. However, if you’re willing to take advantage of the information on the best investment sites, you’ll have a wealth of investment knowledge right at your fingertips.
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Even the best investment sites aren’t guaranteed to pick stock winners and losers. However, the people who are hired to write on the sites typically have a wealth of experience and education behind them.
There are a few investment sites that people “in the know” use when they want information about companies and other economic news. Here are some of our favorite investment sites for garnering important economic information.
Here’s a list of some of our favorite investment sites for learning what you need to know about investing and company financial information.
1 .Motley Fool Stock Advisor
Motley Fool was founded in 1993 by David and Tom Gardner, brothers. Their goal? “Make the world smarter, happier, and richer.” Sounds good to me.
The Motley Fool brothers are big believers in buying stock in great companies and holding onto it. Their site has a great section on investing for beginners.
It also shares a wealth of information on the stock market, on investing for retirement and more. The site even shares personal finance information such as where to find the best checking accounts and credit cards.
Personally, I find the site very well put together and easy to use too. I’d happily use this site (and do) whether I was just starting out as an investor or knew most everything I thought I needed to know.
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Best for: Those looking for comprehensive information on individual stock purchases
2. Morningstar
Morningstar’s tagline is “Empowering investor success.” The site stays true to its investment philosophy of putting investors first. That means they won’t give you investment advice based off of an affiliate relationship.
Instead, they share what they believe to be the best guidance for investors. Morningstar is probably best known for the ratings it publishes on varying investments.
If you want access to Morningstar ratings and detailed investment analysis, you’ll have to sign up for their premium account, which costs $199 per year. However, the site does have an endless number of free informational articles talking about all things investment-related.
Best for: Both beginner and seasoned investors who want detailed information
3. MarketWatch
MarketWatch is another top-rated investment site. It’s a good site for keeping up to day with the latest investment and economic information.
The site shares global information for most all stock markets, commodities markets, forex markets and more. The Moneyist (the Dear Abby of personal finance and investing) is a personal favorite for me.
He answers questions ranging from “Do I have enough to retire?” to “My brother won’t give me my share of our father’s inheritance. What do I do?” and more.
You can also find personal finance information on the site. MarketWatch is full of useful information, easy on the eyes and a pleasing website to navigate.
The site also shares valuable news articles from around the web, whether it be auto reviews or best retirement spots.
Best for: Anyone who wants to find up-to-date investment and other financial information quickly and easily.
4. Barron’s
Barron’s is an investment site for the serious investor. This site is formatted most like the newspapers of old. Clear and concise, Barron’s shares market information along with its favorite current stock picks.
The site’s e-magazine contains articles about popular publicly traded companies’ ups and downs. And the site’s e-advisor keeps you up to date on it’s favorite investment moves.
The articles and information are written smartly and simply. However, they assume you’ve got a solid basic understanding on investing and economics as a whole. While Barron’s is a phenomenal site for seasoned investors, beginner investors might want to stick with one of the other sites mentioned here.
Best for: The seasoned investor who wants a wide span of information on current economics and company performance.
5. Wall Street Journal
I clearly remember seeing my grandfather and his friends perusing over the Wall Street Journal in the early 90’s as they shared breakfast together at the local greasy spoon.
My family and I would eat there on occasion, but we never interrupted the group other than to say “hi” to grandpa and give him a quick hug. Yep, this group of wealthy men would never spend more than $10 for breakfast, but they all had the money to buy the cafe’ if it ever went up for sale.
Thank you, Wall Street Journal. For as long as I can remember, the Wall Street Journal has been the go-to source for those seeking investment advice. It’s changed with the times but still stayed the same, keeping its “real” paper but managing a well-put-together website too.
Wall Street Journal covers everything regarding economic markets in the U.S. and the world. And it tosses in some articles on politics, tech, and current events as well.
The online website headlines are free, but if you want complete information you’ll have to pay for the digital editions, print editions, or both. The good news is that WSJ is affordable at no more than $20 per month. Therefore, we love it as one of the best investment sites.
Best for: Investors that want to get the scoop on the markets and the rest of the world’s happenings, as well as those craving that great feeling of holding a printed newspaper in their hands.
6. Zacks
Zacks is an investment website that’s committed to independent research analysis. The Zacks “About” page says their strategy has beat the S&P market by quite a length (over double) for the past 25+ years.
Of course, past performance is not a guaranteed indicator of future results, but it sure does tell you a thing or two. Namely that the group at Zacks knows their stuff when it comes to investing.
While the site provides a wealth (no pun intended) of free information, you’ll have to pay to get the inside scoop on the Zacks investment strategy. That includes the Zacks #1 rank list of 220 of the best stocks.
They offer a 30-day free trial. After that, you’ll pay $249 a year to continue getting access to Zacks’ investment secrets.
Bonus: Zacks links to the best articles from popular sites such as MarketWatch too.
Best for: The serious investor who’s willing to take the time to learn about in-depth investing.
7. Seeking Alpha
Seeking Alpha does a great job of delving deeper into the “whys” behind investing in a particular stock or fund. While this is a terrific feature for experienced investors, beginner investors may find the information a bit lofty.
Seeking Alpha is part investment news source and part investing community. Articles are written by investor members and then rigorously scrutinized to ensure accurate information.
With over 7,000 members, there’s no shortage of investing information and opinions. The site is great for those who want to do some in-depth research on markets, stocks, and investments.
The Basic Seeking Alpha site is free. However, the site also offers a Premium membership for $240 annually and a Pro membership for roughly $2400 annually.
Think of the Premium membership as a self-directed site and the Pro membership as a full-service site. See the website for more detailed information on what you get with the upgraded memberships.
Best for: Intermediate and advanced investors looking for community support and advice
8. The Financial Times
The Financial Times (or FT as it’s often called) focuses primarily on stocks, funds, and stock news. But you’ll also find tech information, personal finance articles, and more. In-depth information on company performance rounds out the offerings.
The site has a nice collection of charts and graphics too. There are some free articles on Financial Times, but as with Wall Street Journal you’ll have to pay if you want full access.
Like Zacks, Financial Times is a bit on the spendy side if you’re not used to paying for investment information. Digital access is $39.50 per month or $369.20 per year. The print access subscription includes digital access and costs $199 per year.
You can pay $1 and get a 4-week trial if you’d like to sample Financial Times. And there are other subscription options as well.
Best for: Investors looking for a melting pot of investment and economic news, information, and opinion
9. CNBC
CNBC is a popular news channel with a focus on investment and economic news. While you can get CNBC regularly with many paid TV subscriptions, you can also access the company’s many articles for free on their website.
Current market numbers are conveniently displayed throughout the site. And you’ll find articles on investing, technology, business, politics, and more.
Under the “Investing” tab, you’ll find “Invest in You” and “Personal Finance” sections that have a wealth of articles aimed at making personal finance more, well, personal. These sections show you how to put the site’s advice into action and better your personal money situation.
If you want access to CNBC’s “PRO” content, however, you’ll have to buy a subscription. CNBC PRO gives you access to live programming, exclusive video series, and more.
It costs $29.99 per month to subscribe to CNBC PRO, or you can pay $299.00 annually. There is a 7-day trial period you can use to check it out.
Best for: those wanting a quick glance at the world’s most up-to-date economic information
10. Kiplinger
Kiplinger was started in the 1920’s by a former AP economic reporter. The Kiplinger Letter, the company’s weekly economic publication, is considered the most widely read business forecasting publication in the world, according to the Kiplinger website.
Kiplinger also has a monthly magazine. The Kiplinger website gives access to The Kiplinger Letter if you’re a member. You can find a wealth of free information on the site, including investment information. The site also shares informational articles on:
Retirement
Taxes
Wealth creation
Personal finance
And more. However, if you want the goodies like the print magazine and/or complete access to all website information, you’ll have to subscribe.
As of this writing, you can get access to print subscriptions, digital access, or both for $29.95 for 12 months or $39.90 for 24 months. But I think you might find it well worth the price.
One thing I really like about the Kiplinger site is that many of the articles are written in a way even the most beginner personal finance/investment aficionado can understand. The site has a great mix of both beginner and experienced investor articles and information.
Best for: Beginner and experienced investors who want print news and digital news
11. Stock Rover
Stock Rover makes our list of best investment sites because of its mission to help all levels of investors make informed decisions. The Stock Rover website works to provide affordable, comprehensive research to help investors learn before they invest.
The site can help you compare companies or investments, research reports, and manage your portfolio. Stock Rover’s blog includes investing articles, stock research articles, and other valuable information.
For instance, you can learn how to build a better stock portfolio. Of course, these features don’t come for free–at least not all of them. Stock Rover has four plans you can choose from, one of which is free.
While the “free” plan does provide a lot of information and articles, the paid plans provide other valuable tools. The Essentials, Premium, and Premium Plus plans range in price from $7.99 per month to $27.99 per month.
Watchlists, screens, and the number of portfolios you can manage go up with each plan. You can get additional information via other subscriptions on Stock Rover too, such as research reports plans and bundles.
Best for: People who want more of a personal touch as they invest
12. AAII
AAII, or the American Association of Individual Investors, is a non-profit organization aimed at helping people learn about investing and grow their investment portfolios. They’ve been in business for over 40 years.
The organization uses education, information, and research to help members learn about investing and manage their investments. Along with the AAII website, you may have a local chapter that meets in person in your area.
AAII has two membership options. The Basic membership is $1 for the first 30 days and then $3.25 a month going forward. You get access to the AAII market-beating portfolio, investor guides, and other information.
The Plus membership is $2 for the first 30 days and then $15.67 per month going forward. It includes additional benefits such as stock and fund evaluators and graders, and detailed portfolio analysis and alerts.
Both membership options include free access to the local chapters of AAII. In addition, you get access to the award-winning AAII Journal in digital format, print format, or both.
Best for: Those looking for investment guidance with a heart
13. Yahoo Finance
Yahoo Finance, albeit basic, is a good at-a-glance option for investment information. The site shares market numbers along with investment and economic news articles from around the web.
You’ll find links to articles from Reuters, MarketWatch, Investopedia and other well known sites. Yahoo Finance also has their own penned articles on the site. It’s a good one stop shop for economic news.
Best for: Those wanting access to current investment and economic news from a variety of sources
14. Investopedia
Last but certainly not least, we like Investopedia as one of the best investment sites for investment news. What started out as sort of a Wikipedia with a money/investing focus has morphed into a great resource for investing and economic news and information.
Along with current investment news, you can check out Investopedia’s stock simulator. And Investopedia Academy features paid online courses to help you learn everything you want to learn about investing.
The articles cover every type of investor from the beginner to the day trader. And while the courses do cost money, most of the basic information on Investopedia is free.
Best for: Those interested in an education-based investment site
Summary
With the plush selection of the best investment sites out there, there’s no reason you can’t stay up to date on current investment news. And there’s no reason that even the most beginner of investors can’t learn how to invest smartly and successfully.
There are investment sites out there for the knowledge levels and learning preferences of just about everyone on earth.
Laurie is personal finance writer and a licensed Realtor. Her goal in blogging is to help others find their way to financial freedom, and to a simpler, more peaceful life.
I spend a lot of time talking with people who have retired early or are otherwise financially independent. From a purely anecdotal point of view, I’d say most of these folks are well-adjusted. They work to maintain balance in life, and especially with their personal finances.
That said, I’ve noticed that a lot of retirees — early retired or otherwise — struggle to know how much they should spend. I believe this dilemma exists for a couple of reasons:
First is the life expectancy problem. You don’t know how long you’re going to live. If you did know the precise date of your death (or even the year of your death), retirement planning would be much easier. You’d be able to say, “Okay, I have ten years left and $300,000 in the bank. Based on that, I should be able to spend $30,000 per year.” But you don’t know when you’re going to die, so a lot of retirement planning becomes guesswork.
Second is the question of what your money is for? Do you want to leave a legacy for your children (or somebody else)? Do you want to maintain a chunk of change for possible end-of-life medical issues? Or do you want to use your wealth to live life to the fullest while you can? In my case, my ideal would be to die broke. If I could spend my very last penny on the last day of my life, that’d be perfect.
The general response to these two problems is to follow what has been dubbed the four-percent rule. Generally speaking, itâs safe to withdraw 4% from your portfolio every year without risk of running out of money. (There are a lot of caveats to this guideline. To learn more, follow that link to my Money Boss article — or wait for that story to migrate to Get Rich Slowly in a few days!)
The AAII Journal — the monthly magazine from the American Association of Individual Investors — has published two articles in recent months about the problem of spending in retirement. Let’s look at what they have to say.